[Won't change] Splash damage thrust discrepancy in godmode

[Gez]

The flag PLAYERPAWN.NOTHRUSTWHENINVUL is not checked in AActor::DoSpecialDamage(), preventing a cheater from accomplishing the E3M6 rocket jump in the secret exit.

[Ethril]

Although, if someone is cheating anyway, they might as well just noclip into there.

[Gez]

The thing is that there is a discrepancy between IDDQD and IDBEHOLDV, one that shouldn't be there. Use IDDQD and IDCLEV36 in any other source port, and you'll be able to rocket yourself into the secret exit box. ZDoom deviates from the original there, because of changes introduced by Hexen, changes which led to the addition of the NOTHRUSTWHENINVUL player flag, flag which is not used here so it is made a bit pointless.

It's literally a ten second fix.

[randi]

On the other hand, since it only happens when you're cheating, does it really matter? God mode isn't invulnerability; it's godliness.

[Gez]

Well, you'll still get threads like this if you leave it as-is.

[Enjay]

Personally, I prefer the cheat to have reduced knock back but I wouldn't lose any sleep it it was changed.

[randi]

What about a compromise where self-inflicted damage can knock you around, but damage from other sources does not?

[Blox]

Or perhaps make it a compatibility flag?

[Xtyfe]

What about a compromise where self-inflicted damage can knock you around, but damage from other sources does not?

I personally like this idea, although it wouldn't exactly be realistic by any means On the other hand neither is godmode

[Gez]

Or perhaps make it a compatibility flag?

No need to, you can instead make a console cheat to give yourself the nothrust flag.

[Enjay]

No need to, you can instead make a console cheat to give yourself the nothrust flag.

That sounds like a better compromise to me. Everyone wins.

[ReX]

The thing is that there is a discrepancy between IDDQD and IDBEHOLDV, one that shouldn't be there. Use IDDQD and IDCLEV36 in any other source port, and you'll be able to rocket yourself into the secret exit box. ZDoom deviates from the original there, because of changes introduced by Hexen, changes which led to the addition of the NOTHRUSTWHENINVUL player flag, flag which is not used here so it is made a bit pointless.

It's literally a ten second fix.

Judging by Randy/i's efforts to strike a compromise, perhaps it isn't a 10-second fix? Still, I don't follow why the NOTHRUSTWHENINVUL player flag can't be limited to HeXen maps but removed from those of other games. In the end though, for my purposes this discussion is academic. Once the explanation presented itself I figured that if someone was using the IDDQD cheat, all bets were off. [Aside from the fact that a player using the cheat, who is unable to rocket-thrust to the desired area and doesn't know of this ZDooM 'limitation', will naturally blame the author of such a shitty piece of thoroughly un-playtested garbage.]

God mode isn't invulnerability; it's godliness.

What's the difference, in the context of game-play? Does IDDQD confer attributes other than invulnerability?

[Enjay]

I suspect that the difference is legitimacy: invulnerability can be gained in game and what happens when you have it is part of the game play; god mode is a cheat that you use to test maps and, perhaps, the different behaviour is desirable under those circumstances. (As I said, I like the reduced thrust of god mode because I find it useful in testing but if it changes, I wouldn't be particularly bothered.)

[NeuralStunner]

I typically use Buddha Mode in testing simply because it's the most "legit" without actually dying and having to use Resurrect. (Which in the case of A_SkullPop doesn't even work.)

[Project Dark Fox]

I typically use Buddha Mode in testing simply because it's the most "legit" without actually dying and having to use Resurrect. (Which in the case of A_SkullPop doesn't even work.)

Or waiting too long when you break into chunky chunks of ice.