ZDoom 2.0.98 Bugfixing bugfix release

[Belial]

DOOMGUY

[jallamann]

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[The Ultimate DooMer]

Now do you understand why I don't like OpenGL? There's hundreds of different card/driver combinations and it's unpredictable as to which games work/don't work/crash etc. on which ones. And if you try to update the card and/or drivers you could screw up other games etc. (which was what caused all the trouble I used to have with it)

Please don't tell me you are making more of these highly annoying buildings where you can't see what's attacking you from the inside.

Nothing wrong with those, they're a rather impressive feat of fake 3D engineering.

Besides, who says there's gonna be monsters inside them?

[Graf Zahl]

Nothing wrong with those, they're a rather impressive feat of fake 3D engineering.

Most people I talked to called them 'crude hacks'.
You have a rather high threshold for glitchy effects so you may not notice it but there are those who think it's bad mapping practice to abuse an engine that much.

[The Ultimate DooMer]

Yes they're held together with sticky tape and plaster some times (especially the back-to-back one I did in map 10 of SSD) but how else can you achieve a true 3D building in ZDoom?

(and you gotta appreciate the genius that goes into them, bad practices or no )

[Enjay]

how else can you achieve a true 3D

I'd question that they were "true 3D" but in software mode, of course there is no other way. However, genuine 3D is amazingly simple to use (I've been playing with it recently. I was concerned it might be complex, but it just isn't) and of course the results are better because it actually is 3D.

However, if you can't/don't want/don't like OpenGL, well - your decision of course.

[Graf Zahl]

Yes they're held together with sticky tape and plaster some times (especially the back-to-back one I did in map 10 of SSD) but how else can you achieve a true 3D building in ZDoom?

It took me an hour alone to fix this particular spot with 3D-floors. Replacing all those hacks and the skybox windows required 2 days of work total but now my personal version of SSD is much better than the original!

[The Ultimate DooMer]

However, if you can't/don't want/don't like OpenGL, well - your decision of course.

I was going to use it for the 3D floors (to make nice Unreal-style village hut roofs and proper doors/windows instead of the 3D fakery)...but of course OpenGL doesn't like me...

[Graf Zahl]

Maybe there is a solution. Since you are saying that you can run Doomsday, could you tell me what graphics mode (resolution, bit depth and refresh rate) you are using there?

Also could you post the entire startup log?

But I can promise you now that with your old card you will never get satisfactory GL support. It is just missing some features that are required to handle all of ZDoom's enhanced features (like skyboxes, sector stacks or mirrors.)

[The Ultimate DooMer]

Res is 640x480 fullscreen (it doesn't like it if it's not less than the windows screen res plus I can't minimise without a crash), I dunno how to check the other two. Logs:

Spoiler: "Hexen"

Con_Init: Initializing the console.
SW_Init: Startup message window opened.
Executable: Version 1.7.15-1 Jun 6 2004 (DGL).
Memory zone: 32.0 Mb.
Parsing configuration files.
W_Init: Init WADfiles.
W_AddFile: Data\jHexen\Hexen.wad
IWAD identification: 014e77e0
W_AddFile: Data\jHexen\Hexen.gwa
W_AddFile: Data\Doomsday.wad
W_AddFile: Data\jHexen\jHexen.wad
IWAD identification: 00051781
Parsing user.cfg.
Reading definition file: Defs\Doomsday.ded
Reading definition file: Defs\jHexen\jHexen.ded
300 sprite names
2848 states
400 things
62 lights
245 sound effects
7 songs
122 text strings
13 surface decorations
9 finales
Sys_Init: Setting up machine state.
Sys_Init: Initializing keyboard, mouse and joystick.
Sys_InitTimer.
Sys_InitMixer: VIA AC'97 Audio (WAVE)
Sfx_Init: Initializing DirectSound...
DS_EAXInit: Required EAX support missing.
DM_WinMusInit: 2 MIDI-Out devices present.
DM_WinMusInit: MIDI initialized.
S_Init: OK.
R_Init: Init the refresh daemon.
R_InitModels: Initializing MD2 models.
R_InitModels: Done in 0.00 seconds.
Net_InitGame: Initializing game data.
GL_Init: Initializing Doomsday Graphics Library.
DG_Init: OpenGL.
OpenGL information:
Vendor: S3 Graphics, Incorporated
Renderer: ProSavage/Twister
Version: 1.1 2.40.101
Extensions:
GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_texture_compression
GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3t GL_ARB_texture_env_combine
GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_env_add
GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_bgra
GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array
GL_EXT_fog_coord GL_EXT_packed_pixels
GL_EXT_point_parameters GL_EXT_paletted_texture
GL_EXT_separate_specular_color GL_EXT_shared_texture_palette
GL_EXT_stencil_wrap GL_EXT_texture_env_add
GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias GL_EXT_vertex_array
GL_KTX_buffer_region GL_S3_s3tc
GL_SGIS_multitexture GL_WIN_swap_hint
GLU Version: 1.2.2.0 Microsoft Corporation
Texture units: 2
Maximum texture size: 2048
Multitexturing enabled (partial).
Con_StartupInit: Init startup screen.
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jHexen Version 1.2.10 Jun 6 2004 (Doomsday)
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P_Init: Init Playloop state.
MN_Init: Init menu system.
CT_Init: Init chat mode data.
S_InitScript
SN_InitSequenceScript: Registering sound sequences.
SB_Init: Loading patches.

Spoiler: "Korax"

CON_Init: Initializing the console.
Adding external file: hexen.wad
Adding external file: kmod2.wad
Parsing configuration files.
Display mode: 640 x 480.
OpenGL information:
Vendor: S3 Graphics, Incorporated
Renderer: ProSavage/Twister
Version: 1.1 2.40.101
Extensions:
GL_ARB_multitexture
GL_ARB_texture_compression
GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc
GL_ARB_texture_env_combine
GL_EXT_texture_env_combine
GL_ARB_texture_env_add
GL_EXT_abgr
GL_EXT_bgra
GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint
GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array
GL_EXT_fog_coord
GL_EXT_packed_pixels
GL_EXT_point_parameters
GL_EXT_paletted_texture
GL_EXT_separate_specular_color
GL_EXT_shared_texture_palette
GL_EXT_stencil_wrap
GL_EXT_texture_env_add
GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias
GL_EXT_vertex_array
GL_KTX_buffer_region
GL_S3_s3tc
GL_SGIS_multitexture
GL_WIN_swap_hint
GLU Version: 1.2.2.0 Microsoft Corporation
Maximum texture size: 2048
W_Init: Init WADfiles.
W_AddFile: 'doomsday.gwa' not found.
W_AddFile: 'hexen.gwa' not found.
W_AddFile: 'kmod2.gwa' not found.
Z_Init: Init zone memory allocation daemon.
Maxzone: 0x4000000, 0x2000000 allocated for zone.
ZoneBase: 0x176000C.
ST_Init: Init startup screen.
I_Init: Setting up machine state.
I_StartupKeyboard...
I_StartupMouse... Mouse: ok
I_StartupJoystick... Joystick: disabled
I_StartupSound...
I_StartupTimer...
Initializing DirectSound.
I2_Init: Property set acquired, but EAX 2 not supported.
Result:16385, support:0
I2_Init: Number of hardware 3D buffers: 0
MUS_Init: MIDI available and OK.
I_InitMixer: VIA AC'97 Audio (WAVE)
Executable: Version 0.7 Jun 14 2002 (DGL).
R_Init: Init the refresh daemon..........................................
R_ReadModelDef: ModelDef.txt.
Model loaded: md2/silverbar.md2
Model loaded: md2/goldbar.md2
Model loaded: md2/barrel.md2
Model loaded: md2/i_hboost.md2
Model loaded: md2/a_hboost.md2
Model loaded: md2/tombstn1.MD2
Model loaded: md2/tombstn2.MD2
Model loaded: md2/i_bmana.MD2
Model loaded: md2/i_gmana.MD2
Model loaded: md2/i_btmana.MD2
Model loaded: md2/chandelier1.MD2
Model loaded: md2/staff.md2

D_CheckNetGame: Initializing game data.
--- Korax Gameplay Mod Init ---
Version 0.8 +R Apr 10 2004 (Korax)
S_Init...
P_Init: Init Playloop state.
MN_Init: Init menu system.
CT_Init: Init chat mode data.
S_InitScript
SN_InitSequenceScript: Registering sound sequences.
SB_Init: Loading patches.
231 texture types loaded.

[Graf Zahl]

And what does GZDoom say?

[The Ultimate DooMer]

Spoiler: "GZDoom"

Log started: Sat Nov 19 14:50:24 2005

adding gzdoom.wad (148 lumps)
adding ./hexen.wad (4271 lumps)
CPU Speed: 1665.097925 MHz
CPU Vendor ID: AuthenticAMD
Name: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2000+
Family 6 (7), Model 6, Stepping 2
Features: MMX MMX+ SSE 3DNow! 3DNow!+
I_InitSound: Initializing FMOD
Setting DirectSound output succeeded
Setting driver 0 succeeded
Initialization succeeded
GL_VENDOR: S3 Graphics, Incorporated
GL_RENDERER: ProSavage/Twister
GL_VERSION: 1.1 2.40.101
GL_EXTENSIONS: GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_texture_compression GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc GL_ARB_texture_env_combine GL_EXT_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_EXT_abgr GL_EXT_bgra GL_EXT_clip_volume_hint GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array GL_EXT_fog_coord GL_EXT_packed_pixels GL_EXT_point_parameters GL_EXT_paletted_texture GL_EXT_separate_specular_color GL_EXT_shared_texture_palette GL_EXT_stencil_wrap GL_EXT_texture_env_add GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias GL_EXT_vertex_array GL_KTX_buffer_region GL_S3_s3tc GL_SGIS_multitexture GL_WIN_swap_hint
Resolution: 800 x 600
Switching to software renderer...
Init DOOM refresh subsystem.





Init miscellaneous info.
Init Playloop state.
Setting up sound.
S_Init
Checking network game status.
player 1 of 1 (1 nodes)

[TheDarkArchon]

"+logfile log.txt" in the command line will produce a log file in "log.txt"

[Graf Zahl]

I think I do a test version to find the cause for the failed initialization. This is a little strange because the GL driver is definitely recognized.

[The Ultimate DooMer]

Yeah, and it does the titlepic, menus etc. fine, although it won't initialise in windowed mode. (I get lovely shades of red and green when I try )