[TCoTD : Apocalypse] Tchernoborg Replacement for Thamuz?

Tormentor667 · Post by **Tormentor667** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 7:46 am

As this a project that highly differs from standard type of Doom maps, I thought the best thing I could do is start a public beta test in the forums before I release this.

The project is fully playable and about 95% is done. Though there are things that aren't finished yet:

Final Boss Battle
GLDefs
Special Effects in some places
Ending

Beyond, most of the ingame messages do not have proper english grammar and vocabulary so I hope this can be solved with your help. Same goes to the skill settings, the bugs that I haven't spotted myself and the overall experience that might become better with your feedback.

So, here it is, the Public Beta of "The City of The Damned - Apocalypse"
Download: [--]

By the way, this is beta, not final

Beyond, play this with GZDoom only and please read the ReadMe before you start the pk3! It's necessary to make sure that your GZDoom is setted up correctly.

So have fun playing this

And sorry for the big filesize of 22MB but most likely this will get smaller as soon as I optimize the respource data.[/list]

//UPDATE
http://rapidshare.com/files/65881001/tc ... a.zip.html

Skippy · Post by **Skippy** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:38 am

Loving it so far Torm, at least aesthetically. I love the use of the Resi 3 soundtrack as well, nice choice

I've got a few suggestions:

Spoiler:
- Why don't you make the wooden fences jumpable using the Strife railing linetype? They're about the same height (32 units) and will give the player a bit more freedom.
- The melee range of the pitchfork seems slightly less than what the weapon graphics would imply, but maybe it's just me.
- Fighting the poison-spitting creatures with a pitchfork isn't a great deal of fun at the moment. The only way to avoid getting hit is to be constantly running, which kinda defeats the point of slowing the player down in the first place. Did I dream this, or were you planning to have a Stamina bar in the game to prevent the player from running everywhere?
- As you said, some of the written notes found could do with a cleanup and rewrite. I'd be more than happy to help you on this one if you like.
- Invisible barriers into and around the water... not so cool, but I understand that you might not have any other viable choice.

I'll feed back more when I'm finished playing it, but great job so far. I'm always happy to see a different take on gameplay in ZDoom.

Tormentor667 · Post by **Tormentor667** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:02 am

Thx, glad to hear that so far Skippy

I have some questions and comments on what you have wrote me so far...

Spoiler:
Conc. the wooden fence, what's the special for this called? What's the corresponding number? [EDIT] Found it!
Conc. the melee range: I could actually increase that, but I think it's not necessary as it is much stronger than the fist.
Conc. the poison spitters: Use the alternate fire, it's there for a reason
Conc. the written notes: Feel free to fix up what you find and send me the corrected text (if possible, mark the wrong stuff in some way, so it's easier for me to spot the bugs)

Thx so far

Skippy · Post by **Skippy** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:11 am

No probs, I'll get to work on the written stuff. I'll try and stay as true to the original text as possible while maintaining clarity and accuracy.

The Strife railings can be achieved via special 121, [wiki]Line_SetIdentification[/wiki].

Post by **.+:icytux:+.** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:19 am

weird... i get mapinfo line 8 BAD SYNTAX all the time

cant play it... :/

Skippy · Post by **Skippy** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:24 am

@icytux: the 'noinfighting' MAPINFO keyword on line 8 isn't in the current official ZDoom release, only in the SVN. Not that that's important, because...

In the first post, Tormentor667 wrote:Beyond, play this with GZDoom only and please read the ReadMe before you start the pk3!

If you're already using GZDoom however, then you need to get the latest release.

neoworm · Post by **neoworm** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:28 am

Same thing happened to me, but I commented line 8 (noinfighting) and it works.

When player crouch he changes into DooM marine, I believe Blood hero have crouching frames, it wouldn be bad idea to use them.

Same items looks weird without scaling.

Everything else seems allright to me.

Post by **.+:icytux:+.** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:41 am

oh... maybe i havnt got the latest gzdoom then... its broken anyway so its best i go get a new one

(gzdoom very fatal error after about 5 min)

Post by **Enjay** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:43 am

Skippy wrote:The Strife railings can be achieved via special 121, [wiki]Line_SetIdentification[/wiki].

The other way is to use SetLineBlocking using "BLOCK_RAILING". That emulates Strife's behaviour. I could be wrong, but I think doing so means the height of the texture determines how high the block is in that case. Anyone able to confirm?

http://208.78.96.242/wiki/SetLineBlocking

Tormentor667 · Post by **Tormentor667** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:03 am

Well, sure, you actually need the latest release of GZDoom to play this properly, will put up a little note in the text file

Conc. the crouching frames, that actually sucks hard

Is there a way to force the "original sprites" instead of using the crouching ones from ZDoom? (isn't there a "stretch 50% smaller" feature!?)

Skippy · Post by **Skippy** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:06 am

@Enjay: I don't think so, I think it 'emulates Strife's railings' ie. blocks the bottom 32px of a two-sided linedef. Allowing the texture to specify the height of the block would basically be an implementation of Eternity's 3DMIDTEX feature, which IIRC the ZDoom devs were unwilling/unable to implement for some reason.

EDIT: here's a screenshot confirming the behaviour - the marine is standing atop the 32px block of the linedef, whilst the attached middle texture is 64px in height.

Post by **Enjay** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:22 am

OK, thanks. So basically just 2 ways of doing the same thing then.

Tormentor667 · Post by **Tormentor667** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:29 am

Can we concentrate on the actual topic now again?!

Post by **.+:icytux:+.** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 10:56 am

oo really spooky tormentor

super cool... but its just so sad that when you have fight the spiders... you come out to the town again... and the allarm sounds... i get tormented by a "ultimate" nightmare

and GZDooM collapses

neoworm · Post by **neoworm** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:07 am

It collapses when I try to save after visiting the shleter.