by zwouth » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:58 pm
Ugh hardly anyone knows what socket 3 did. Not that it matters... Quake killed the 486 since it was optimized for pipelined FPU. Mike Abrash and Carmack knew what they were doing. Since I lived through that it means something to me, not just a footnote.
Sorry leileilol. AMD 5x86 wasn't the fastest system you could build. Maybe with the right mobo you could tweak one up to 180mhz. But per clock Cyrix 5x86 wasn't just a name drop... mythical and unprovable yes, but fastest as far as i know.. but i can't prove it, so maybe I AM a lier. I wanted one so bad though, to put my mouth where the money was. But i could never find/get one so I have no proof. =( Now I could probably get one off of eBay, but... it's just not worth the effort. Which makes me sad =(
Zdoom on socket 3 (486) has to die. It... sucks. I'm not going on the bandwagon with "zdoom is an advanced port".... but... Doom as a game has to evolve past it's original container, unless it is to be entombed as a game of the past. Another example is i remember fighting to get an mp3 to play on an AMD 5x86 (160mhz) w/o skipping in win 3.11. Hearing "Mission Impossible" from a computer at all in 1993 was mind-blowing. But now when playing an mp3 doesn't even register on Task Manager (<1%).
I can't even fathom restricting ANY programmer to those shackles of yesteryear.
I had a weird "inter-generational" VLB motherboard that would let you use both socket 3 and socket 4 processors on it. So while the Pentium option probably was a joke (Pentium 60 or 66 and crap chipset) it did have one very interesting side effect. A socket 3 board that would let you select 60 and 66mhz bus. Sadly nothing I had would run on that =( Wish I still had that board, I'd send it to you to play with. Imagine the joy of (with enough cooling) to make a 486-66 POTENTIALLY run at 120 or 133. I know unrealistic, but ugh I REALLY wish i had that board for finding bottlenecks. Yes I do kick myself for not keeping it, only now do i realize how rare a thing it was. ARGH.
But the sad lesson from that board, is even having the mythical 486 board with bus speeds over 50mhz is... nobody cares now =( I don't say this to be mean, I honestly think it would be cool. But it's irrelevant. As entertaining as seeing a 486 at ... 200mhz would be, it would be slow and nobody cares =(
... my avatar isn't just for show, I was a complete Socket 7 whore. I bought a K6-3. Bought 2 K6-2+'s. Found and bought finally a K6-3+ and used to go to LAN parties playing Quake 3 as the "K6-3 Avenger." Overclocked to 672 (112fsb*6). It was/still is a good machine. Running windowsXP even. Too bad the AGP interface on socket 7 boards sucked. Geforce 2 MX on socket 7 was CPU bound, and even then wasn't sure if it was raw CPU speed or just that the AGP interface sucked.
In the end though, you have to let go. It sucks.
I finally bought an Athlon Thunderbird @ 1Ghz. Newer stuff is just so much faster.
One doesn't play Zdoom to see how well it runs on a Cyrix 386DLC-40, they run it to see how well it runs in WindowsXP or whatever their OS of choice is. And if it isn't fast, or stutters for backward compatibility they throw it away.
Ugh hardly anyone knows what socket 3 did. Not that it matters... Quake killed the 486 since it was optimized for pipelined FPU. Mike Abrash and Carmack knew what they were doing. Since I lived through that it means something to me, not just a footnote.
Sorry leileilol. AMD 5x86 wasn't the fastest system you could build. Maybe with the right mobo you could tweak one up to 180mhz. But per clock Cyrix 5x86 wasn't just a name drop... mythical and unprovable yes, but fastest as far as i know.. but i can't prove it, so maybe I AM a lier. I wanted one so bad though, to put my mouth where the money was. But i could never find/get one so I have no proof. =( Now I could probably get one off of eBay, but... it's just not worth the effort. Which makes me sad =(
Zdoom on socket 3 (486) has to die. It... sucks. I'm not going on the bandwagon with "zdoom is an advanced port".... but... Doom as a game has to evolve past it's original container, unless it is to be entombed as a game of the past. Another example is i remember fighting to get an mp3 to play on an AMD 5x86 (160mhz) w/o skipping in win 3.11. Hearing "Mission Impossible" from a computer at all in 1993 was mind-blowing. But now when playing an mp3 doesn't even register on Task Manager (<1%).
I can't even fathom restricting ANY programmer to those shackles of yesteryear.
I had a weird "inter-generational" VLB motherboard that would let you use both socket 3 and socket 4 processors on it. So while the Pentium option probably was a joke (Pentium 60 or 66 and crap chipset) it did have one very interesting side effect. A socket 3 board that would let you select 60 and 66mhz bus. Sadly nothing I had would run on that =( Wish I still had that board, I'd send it to you to play with. Imagine the joy of (with enough cooling) to make a 486-66 POTENTIALLY run at 120 or 133. I know unrealistic, but ugh I REALLY wish i had that board for finding bottlenecks. Yes I do kick myself for not keeping it, only now do i realize how rare a thing it was. ARGH.
But the sad lesson from that board, is even having the mythical 486 board with bus speeds over 50mhz is... nobody cares now =( I don't say this to be mean, I honestly think it would be cool. But it's irrelevant. As entertaining as seeing a 486 at ... 200mhz would be, it would be slow and nobody cares =(
... my avatar isn't just for show, I was a complete Socket 7 whore. I bought a K6-3. Bought 2 K6-2+'s. Found and bought finally a K6-3+ and used to go to LAN parties playing Quake 3 as the "K6-3 Avenger." Overclocked to 672 (112fsb*6). It was/still is a good machine. Running windowsXP even. Too bad the AGP interface on socket 7 boards sucked. Geforce 2 MX on socket 7 was CPU bound, and even then wasn't sure if it was raw CPU speed or just that the AGP interface sucked.
In the end though, you have to let go. It sucks.
I finally bought an Athlon Thunderbird @ 1Ghz. Newer stuff is just so much faster.
One doesn't play Zdoom to see how well it runs on a Cyrix 386DLC-40, they run it to see how well it runs in WindowsXP or whatever their OS of choice is. And if it isn't fast, or stutters for backward compatibility they throw it away.